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Episode · 1 year ago

What is Outcastverse? Featuring Conrad


John Emotions talks with Conrad about the genesis of Outcastverse — a new online community where mental health meets the arts utilizing NFTs.

In this episode you'll learn asnwers to questions like ...

  • Which artists can benefit from NFTs?
  • What do artists need to do to get started?
  • How did Outcastverse begin?
  • It’s all fund and game until someone gets an eating disorder
  • How long have you felt like an outcast?
  • What happens in Outcastverse?
  • Re-Valuing Artists and Their Art
  • How can I get involved in Outcastverse?

All these questions and many more secrets will be revealed on this very special episode of Emo Dojo. 

Warning: This episode discusses eating disorders.




And you know if you're like, if you're an artist of any kind, now be someone who draws or paints or even the musician or dancer a singer like we want to help promote your work. We want to help support you that was Conrad from outcast verse kind of that perfect guest for this type of show. Let me tell you what outcast verse is a community focused on mental health and artist, who couldn't be a better guess for this show than Conrad otherwise known in outcast first, as Rad Conrad Con, so here's my interview with him. I hope you enjoy it and is always you know remember to follow along hit. The follow button find me on twitter at Johnny motions. We can be friends so wanted to shout out to that for being so active on twitter and noticing cool things so yeah, I feel very auspicious that would cross paths, especially when I got to your discord, server, outcast the verse and read what you guys were about and, like Oh yeah, these guys are kindred spirits. This is exactly what I what I think this is nf thing is about to yeah. That is amazing. She's been reaching out to all types of people, artists, musicians, people like you who care about the mental health, space and she's. She has a heart, so we get into contact with so many good people, and it really, you know, tjeme some bad actors in the C space, but the people like you who really make a shine yeah, it's interesting and I'm super new to n FT, I'm not new to art or mental health in it. It all just really kind of cross path, not more than two months ago. I think really, I'm not sure what the first thing I saw, probably like a wired or forbs article, or something like that. But I'd heard about them quite a while back, because I was in the non profit space. So I knew that Crypto blockchain, generally speaking, would be such a great asset to the non profit space in the future. You'll be able to just see where non profits spend their money and they will either fail or thrive depending on how well they run, and I can't wait for that to happen. Oh yeah yeah there is so much potential and Crypto web three NF. You know. Even I guess you could say the meadow verse at this point since facebook change their name. So there's that that the sealing is is is limitless and I can't wait to see yeah now. It's really wild, isn't it it's almost a mind blowing for it for most of the people, I've known in the creative space, the art space that are musicians, performers. You know fine artists and things like that. It's really interesting to see how all of this will finally get locked down into a you know, infinity time capsule for future generations will actually see like. Oh that's the person that created that that's where that came from with with proof like Providence, all the way back to the start. I love that Oh yeah, and currently you know ftes it really it's there for the artists who can you know, use, I guess software to draw things right, but it is still really untapped for those who do other forms of art, like musicians, dancers, singers, and you know all sorts of different self expressions out there and I think in the future we will be able to sort of reach that bridge where we can allow these other type of artists to showcase their passions and self expressions, and once we reach that point, I think that's when, like wow things are, are really looking up. For you know, artists as a whole yeah. I think that's one of the great things too, because a lot of people that keep up with things in general saw bit coin happening. They just didn't have a bunch of money sitting around to invest. They saw the com boom, probably happening. They didn't have much money to invest their artist. You know the classic struggling artist Trope, but this time it seems way different, because you've got people that had invested back then with Crypto to spend, and the only thing artists really need to get involved is there. Art is the creative passion and the willingness to try something new, Oh yeah, and we can get to this later. But there is a fallacy in the statement you just said in that we are here supporting artists and notes, give the artist so many opportunities to get their name out. There become successful and share their creation, but there are so many more artists that get left behind in this pace like how many can just compare the number of successful artists to the number of artists who can't even sell you know one mt or yes or the Noga in a teases in general, and you don't know how to other work right so yep that in itselft is like wow. This is this quite a t, ironic yeah. I...

...know it feels very much almost instantly if you take the wide view very much like it's youtube all over again. It like. Are you an influencer? Well, you got to do it right now, you better get in quick, because you know three months from now, things are going to be different. Three years from now, things are going to be completely different, see at the rate that face is growing a hundred percent yeah yeah. I was thinking about that one. You know the kind of thoughts that come to your mind when you're in the shower it doesn't matter how good your art is. It really seems to matter how well you build community or a fan base, or you know followers whatever you want to call it, but I think that's really what impressed me about your project that you know not attracted me to the outcast first, let's talk a little bit about how that came into existence, because I think that is one of the keys to succeeding in the N ft space as an artist is to align yourself with communities in a really genuine way. So how did you come to start that? And did you come to ftes from art from TAC from? How did you get to that space to begin with all right? So this is, I guess, a long story and I love it. I love long stories I'll try to make it as concise but detailed as possible. So I'm actually a full time soffer engineer and I honestly do not get too much fulfillment from that job. So after work, I you know have so much free time. I hang out with friends work out whatever, but just the meaning in life was not there right. So I guess I started with crypt in Crypto, perhaps five years ago, when I first dabbed a little bit in Doge Coin Nice and I just went on and off you know, investing here and there a little bin Critturr ency owned little etherium, not too much bit coin, but it really. I my interest in nf and the web. Three space really took off about three four months ago, when I was just scrolling through social media, and I saw at FT- and I was like wait. What is this? You know yeah, so I looked into more into it. I joined a few communities and invested a couple grand and of tease I you know I really fell in love with a concept because I love art. I do customizing shoes in my free time, wow yeah, and it's just something that really attracted to me, and so this is industry. You know so new and I started learning all about it. I was like Yo I can. I can do this myself. I I have a passion for art. I have nothing else better to do with my free time, so might as well. Nothing real lose, so I actually never knew how to use like, I guess, a Dobe illustrator. As a software. I just looked up a quick one hour or youtube like how to use a O, caritat right and I started creating some art and the art I was going for. The vibe was very, you can think of it as a hung street skater vibe, and it when I saw my mom actually the arts. The first thing she said was wow. This is so dark and depressing. Like can you add some happy things to it? A job right. That's had job to remind the kids, you get a little dark, yeah yeah, and but the thing is: is that that's the vibe? I was going for right. Did you get the vibe that you were going for out of illustrator in that sort of time, because illustrators no joke, especially when it comes to editing, besiers and things like that? So were you able to kind of get the thing you were going for yeah I I definitely was. I was a expert. Definitely could have done better, but I got the general sense of it being sort of dark and a little. I guess depressing, but- and you know I mean I can share with you one of the images later on, and I don't know how you want to share that, but it that's sort of the images that I use to market to make myself in the project. So I, when I went on like this Court ft servers like open seas and NF official, I said: Hey guys. I have this project I'm working on. I need developer. I need a marketer Blah Blah Blah and I would show them the illustrator art and I always had the sense of the name of the project that I wanted to have and it actually started with outcast right, because I guess all my life. I've really felt like an outcast in this world. Just different and I've been told that I, I guess, I'm different in a sense right, yeah, either good or bad. I felt different and I think that's sort of what I really wanted to convey. My art was like Hey wit, were you know? All of us are different and all of us, my feel like outcast at some point in our lives. But art is such a powerful medium that allows people to connect with each other, and you know, share things that words and actions can't really describe, but through art you can really undestand how someone is feeling. So I...

...really wanted to sort of get that feeling out to the world and that message that Ar is the greatest connector in human in human life. So it that's how it kind of started, and when I brought a nat on the team- and I also put someone else on the team- we really refined this idea actually yeah and it was only natural that it would actually go down the path of mental health because not like. I don't want to share her story for her sure you know had quite a rough childhood and other person on a team like I guess both that and him like they. They tried to attempt suicide when they were younger, and I mean these are all public information at this point. So I think it's okay to Shah Yeah Yeah and we can get their reply to and I'm in the same boat as them. Actually so, my listeners are very familiar with these kinds of stories so yeah it cheers for them for making it through for one yeah yeah yeah, so they came from back. I come on backgrounds that really shape who they are today yeah and, to be honest with you, I did not give a single flip of how mental health maybe seven years ago, and it was only until I entered university when I really struggled in life and I I started, I developed like eating disorder, Develope blimy that really messed with me, because I would binge on like so much food anything anything you want right. I had Bolima to. I was probably fifteen. Sixteen maybe make sixteen seventeen or so, and I had it for about two years. It is wild, isn't it because you can eat whatever you want, because you know secretly you're just going to go, throw it up yeah, exactly like you just put whatever in your body Yep, for you know like a night or to span of three hours and then what you tell yourself is hey like I'll just be better tomorrow or like next day like I'll make a right. You know yeah yeah, I didn't even care, I'm like that's fine, I'm alive and I do like a thousand sit ups. A day eat up just a bunch of junk food and throw it up and go to school, Oh and I would always throw up before we would go out partying because I'm like Oh, I get drunk faster on an empty stomach and I was sick in the head dude. Oh, my goodness, yeah like like you. Instead of I didn't, do a thousand setups, but I ran like six miles a day this. It is better yeah right and I would actually starve myself for maybe two or three days afterwards, just drinking water- and I just felt like that- was my cleansing. But you know, as you know, believe me: It's a the cycle. You just keep repeating it, no matter how much you hit yourself for it yeah and to those who are listening that might have it or experience this. I don't honestly know what I did to get out of it. I didn't have any special therapy or any training or I didn't. I don't know what came about, but eventually it just you grow past it you just mixed. I don't know, I guess that did you do? Did you do anything in specifically to get past the Bolima? I think sharing it with other people yeah being about it really helped. I think keeping a secret was something that you know: you're, somewhat ashamed of it and a lot yeah yeah when you actually are able to share with your friends and family and people care about you, there's some fort of of accountability and reassurance. That's going to be okay, yeah yeah was there the family I lived with. That was one of those kids that was kicked out of the House early and the family. I lived with. They just started getting mad at me in a loving way, but they're like dude, stop eating all the cinnamon toast if you're just going to go, throw it up again that kind of thing they were on my ass, I'm like Oh yeah, okay, they're on me, whatever, so it's funny yeah and I'm like okay, okay, fine but yeah. So I hope those suffering with eating disorders take this as authentically as possible. We're not trying to like trigger anybody, but you know you'll grow past it. It's okay, yeah yeah! It's definitely something hard to go through yeah, because you don't feel like that anymore. Do you, because I absolutely have no feeling to be thrown up my food at all. You know now, so actually I was pretty recent that I actually sort of got over it. Oh yeah, it was only less than a year ago, Oh gee, I yeah it is kind of fresh. How do you feel it's definitely a relief, I will say yeah, but I don't also want to give such like a happy positive vibe about it. It stays with me until today, like yeah yeah and the body image thing to right it just the body image. Oh Yeah, body image. You know you still get the urges sometimes to to eat a lot of food yeah for sure, and it's a habit that stage with you, because my way of distressing at work, sometimes it's eating now you know so it definitely sticks with you without your life, but it gets better yeah for sure. Well, thanks for sharing that part, I didn't mean to aggress so far, but that kind of really yeah highlights like why the urgency to help and like more understand the mental health aspects of all of that, oh yeah, it's something so stigmatized and people need to know about it yeah. Why did you think you felt like an outcast earlier in life? I think most of us that feel like outcast have felt like that since grade school, since as long as we can remember- and...

...many of us that I talk to aren't really that weird looking or acting or anything outwardly, so it seems like we would fit in and I think that's part of the despairs. The lot of US seem like we would fit in just fine, but we don't feel that internally, how long have you felt like you've been outcast? Probably since elementary school yeah? I think I think I just really felt socially. I did not feel I like I fit in, and I would even I remember one like I can talk about this now like without feeling embarrass or a shame, because it's over yeah. I still remember one Esquino friend was like yeah dude, like you're weird I just like yeah you're like awkward to talk to, and that really stuck with me for so many years, because I sort of felt like okay. If that's how it is like he said, I'm Okward to talk to. He said I'm a weird guy like that's that must be true of it must be o. He knows me after all, yeah and it just so like when you hear comments like those and there's other things or yes, you know people also joke around in elementary school, like they call you nick names or whatever, and now you look back, it's so stupid to even think about and sort of cry about, but it does affect you at some point and yeah yeah. It's part of your coding, like I think I mean I don't mean to compare the human brain to a computer. That much I mean it's a kind of a cliche comparison, but really it's the best way to describe what happened to us, this kids, all those little weird things. People said they start to form patterns in our brain and that becomes our programming. So of someone close to you like a friend, a parent, a sibling says something kind of cutting and maybe sort of feels right. You just wear that, like a Cape, the rest of your life, sometimes it's really odd, Oh yeah, definitely your environment and what people the People Yust run yourself with and how they evie you like. That's how you be yourself yeah, it's tough to like de Program, one self when you're the computer too. You know when you are driving the machine, it's hard to like rewire it. It's really tough. So I'm glad because you seem pretty young, so I'm glad you've come to these realizations so early in life. So you got your whole life to kind of like not Polish, it up. Yeah Yeah! I think you know I I will be honest. I had a horrible time in college. I not not not just to give a bulimia, but also I was in her extremely toxic relationship, and I limited my social life. Because of that, and I look back and we people ask me like hey: Do you regret? You know your college choices? You regret going to Berkeley and doing all those things, and I'm like not really, because I learned so many things about myself. It's literally be taken as a learning experience, yeah, yeah and any like you won't live with regret. You know, because you take things as it is, and you do the best with it yeah very much and a lot of times. You would I mean, obviously, in my mind, you wouldn't be where you are now in your in your progression without having those hardships and overcome them. Yes, especially traumatic relationships like that with narcissist, or I mean that's kind of a generic term, but if you're in a relationship with somebody that is truly, has n P D, no, that's trouble it's hard to get out of those. Oh a hundred thousand percent yeah and honestly, I'm not going to. I don't know your situation specifically, but a lot of times things like Balim drug addiction and things like that. They actually come there. It's the pressure of being in a relationship with the narcissist, and then they tend to use that as ammunition to says I told you, you were the person, I said you were and it becomes just a total mind: Fuck, it's really bad, so congrats on getting out of that. How did you like Berkeley? Well, as I said, I didn't have the best experience there and I don't blame birthday for that. I don't blame the culture. I think I'm more suited for a smaller campus, a small as Pomali community yeah, but I, as I said, no regrets. I learned so much both educationally and personally about myself for sure it was a good experience. I would say and great credibility to the people that are like you know our parents they're, like Oh yeah, my son went to Berkeley so yeah. I grew up in the bay area, so I know the status of Berkeley and Stanford and places like that. So no way, where did you? Where are you from where you go up? I grew up in the Bay East Bay, like diable valley area, Walnut Creek Pleasant Hill, conquered mostly, as you are right next to Berkeley, Oh yeah, yeah, and then I lived in Berkeley as I grew up. I moved out of the suburbs into the city. I lived in Berkeley and Oakland, and San Francisco, and eventually down to downtown Los Angeles like exploring places, tell us about how outcast verse works in, like your kind of Road Mat for the future. A lot of my listeners probably don't, do discord, but just to update the listener. It's just an AP just go to this Cordam or download push the buttons and follow directions and look for a place called outcast first, and I will include a link directly to that invite on the show, not here butt anyway. So all the technical part aside.

What goes on in outcast verse. So if I were to some up OL cast verse in a sentence, it would be an artist's talent, incubator, with a focus on mental health, and let me elaborate on that little more than sure so back to the fallacy. We were talking about earlier. Artists in this space are still undervalued under appreciated and, if you're, an emerging artists, how are you supposed to get your name out there in the NT world? Yeah right? There are, I don't even know on what scale, but the magnitude is crazy for the amount of art out there right now, and it is you know so. People don't even know about n still, so that's another whole sector of artist that he really want hope. But essentially what our cast first does is we're trying to built a platform for artists become recognized, and we do this by one purchasing. Some of the smaller artists arts work on secondary market places like open seas and we shot them out to promote their arts. We ask them for their story, because we really want to have a focus on artists who have gone through mental health disorders or currently going through them, and because this project has happened to health and half self expression in art. You know we ask them for their story and we promote that story, and we, you know, share it with the community and we pick usually an art piece that really talks about their story and resembles or story. So we give away their art to community members in like a form of a giveaway and that sort of one of the ways were helping smaller artists. We plan on partnering with Individuals Within The music space as well. The Arts Pace who have experience and who have gone through the troubles and the struggles of being a starting artist or starting a musician, and they have the connections. Now they sort of quotquot made it. So we really want to partner with them, so they can help out the artist same musicians and other kinds of selfish person, people in our community. So those are, I guess, a few ways that we really want to go about. Alcasto, and you know there is like such a deep and powerful connection between self expression and mental health. Those struggling with mental health often use self expression as an outlet right, a way to distress, heal or find sense of all being and meaning in life. So and there's a that balance right. It's the balance between the dark times and then desire to find beauty through self expression. So we really want to emulate that within alcestes the art we, as I said, the artist, we choose mental health, that that is something they really really value and they love to talk about, and we also want to bring in mental health experts in our community. Not She is super big on meditation. I think she just reached her one year, Meditation Mark Wow Nice every day meditating. So we want a partner with people like that who you know are in the meditation and is the space and they can come and give a talk on. Pat, you know host a couple of vedian sessions or bring other people who you know maybe have gone through things like bulimia or Adhd, or shelling with bipolar disorder, and you know, come and give a talk and reassert a committee about those type of things bringing experts to give therapy sessions. We have so many ideas right now, and you know we, I will say Pars a new project, and so many things are in flux and there are so many unknown factors, but yeah yeah. One thing that does stay constant is just the passion in our team, because every single person I hired on this team has a passion for mental health, has a passion to help other people and every actually every person on the team actually has gone through something in their lives. That motivates them to do what they do today in now, Caspo- and you know, if you ever- do get a chance to check out the server. If you good at the meet to might meet the team section, you can read about their stories because it is really truly inspiring. They're amazing yeah I've read through those and they're super impactful and that's speaking as somebody who has lived my own stories similar to theirs. But the fact the details of the stories are very telling and very respectfully shared, and it also I don't know, I think it will draw out others to do the same so and they're really brave for doing that and honestly anybody, that's claiming to be an artist in the N ft space. I cheer them for the audacity. You really have to have that audacity to like stake, claim and say yeah, I'm a fucking artist. I am an artist, but I've been a designer most of my life, which means that I just sit with somebody and listen to them, and then I design what they want and there's an agreement that I'm just going to get paid. My Labor well, it finally dawned on me that wait, I'm an artist. I can design things that I like and I get other people to buy...

...them whatever I design. So I think that that audacity to jump that fence and say yeah, I'm an artist. I just design ship and nobody asks for and I'm going to go sell it. Oh yeah, that's so important to acknowledge that the other thing I'm starting to think the older I get is that many people with quote unquote mental disorders are simply misaligned with their calling in life a lot. I think if we start like a lot of times, doctors will focus on your sleep. How is your sleep? Are you getting good sleep cool and then they ask how's your diet drinking enough water getting to exercise man? I think the fourth question on that list doctor should ask, or are you a creative person? Are you stuck in a cubicle yeah? We need to get you out of that cubicle and back to being an artist, and I think so many people would like drop their disorders within weeks. If that happened, Oh yeah, I want to really talk about that too. Can I tell you one more thing about please yeah, so I think the artist as you know they are so underpaid and undervalued. It's ridiculous. You know, like I asked my artist like hey. If you were to charge someone for your services that you're giving me right now, how much would you charge and her response was like? Oh maybe, a hundred or two hundred a week, and I'm like excuse me: Yeah, you serious for the level of art, the quality of art and The Passion you put into your drawings you're only charging a hundred to two hundred- and she tells me yeah, like its industry standard, know like artists are overworked and they have high potations, but they just don't get paid that much, and that is something that we need to change and I think the NT space can really change that and it has changed that mentality of you know, artist being undervalued, Yo and that's something we really want to focus on in is our catfish community as well as we want to be able to recognize artists for who they are right, like for their talents and skills, and that's why we all want an a partner with people that can help them achieve that goal. We want a partner with you know, leading industry organizations that promote or like take on artists and to do work. So it's something that we believe in so much is. We need to help artists promote themselves and get their name out there and be valued for what they do. Yeah, like form a gang, a gang of people that just support each other in spaces out beyond the discord server. Oh yeah, I think that's really. He because it seems like a like. I said it's an incubator for new artists. I love the fact that people are sharing their stories along with their art, and that's also really cool that you are a kind of dog fooding sense that you're doing what you're preaching by buying upcoming artist, art from them and then doing give aways and promotional things, which is the most touching thing. When you do it, it's the most rewarding rewarding thing in life. When you tell an artist you're going to purchase a couple of their pieces of our like on open seas- and they tell you like this is the best thing that happened to me in my life, like someone is recognizing my art right, and I think that will snap people into their new existence really quick yeah. You know it's the feeling of being recognized and being valued, and it it's amazing. It's really yeahs. I could change lives that I mean the fact. If someone's selling something for point, zero, zero, something eth you can make their day by spending two hundred dollars well and two hundred dollars in gas this week. But you know what I'm saying you could literally make somebody's say that person may have might have made two hundred dollars all of last year, slepping around to arts and crafts fairs, trying to sell something and all of a sudden they're making two hundred dollar three hundred or whatever you know. Just even a few hundred dollars is more than some artist make in an entire year and to do that, one time that gives so inspiring to them and brings so much motivation to somebody that, oh I'm noticed I actually am worthy and God demand I'm an artist. Now I could sell things that I made out of my own mind. That's so incredible that your focus on that and, more importantly, I think it's really cool that you come from a programming background, because I noticed your specific server. The outcast first server is very organized and laid out and spelled out, and it seems to be very fair, very transparent, there's ways to kind of democratically move up. The system like a almost a game, ification thing going on there and he see those are all the things that a person coming from that was a sculpture, they're, not going to know how to do all that. So you are contribution to the art community by bringing the tech advantage. I think is huge, so I just wanted to shout out to you and everybody: That's a developer, that's coming on and interacting with artists that don't have those skills because it would not have been. You know, John. I can't take any of the credit like my team has been working so hard and we all been working hard, I'm just so it like. So I ralyea yeah, you guys, are doing a great job and to outreach and...

...all that stuff, because it's really weird you don't really know you know on the social media. It's mostly in this space, it's text and images. So once you hear a voice or see a video or something like that, it takes it to the next level and the kinds of interactions you're having in the mental health space like boldly going and having those conversations that other people will simply shy away from that's courageous man. That's really moving the mark, yeah! It's! As I said, it's something that we're very passionate about. We really want to make mental health less stigmatized, and you know the it's just is one of those things right now in the world where people just don't talk about it, because they're ashamed and yeah. When you go through something like you know, Belime, then you realize there is nothing to be ashamed about, but in the moment you are so ashamed. So it is a matter of knowing and letting people tell you that and reach out to you yeah a lot of times when you catch a mental illness or disorder or what not you tend to think it's just you, it's you and then, if we talk about it more, you start to realize. Oh, it's a disease. I caught something like not to simplify it, but like catching the cold, but I mean you whatever happened in your mind. You caught that and now you can unwind it once people start talking about it more and you're right. The stigmatization is horrific. Most people won't even say the word, a mental. In fact, I've seen on social medium many times where people confuse mental illness with mental health by posting things like saying. Oh, my cousin, that poor guy, he is mental health. Like wait, that's the good party that he wants mental health, but you see that I mean the the fine tuning there is that people just use the word mental and once you bring that word up at all you've stained the conversation and people like step back and move mental, which also makes it really hard to share things that are like podcast or anything like that. This particular podcast used to sorry used to be called by polar style, which I thought was a cool name, because I was all about diminishing stigma of bipolar disorder, but you know how many people share a podcast called by polar style or shout you out on the fucking social media, not too many, because you know for obvious reasons so yeah. Eventually, I had to figure out a different name: o Yeah, that's that's it man, you always got to get out there and keep and the the irony is that if you're the one out there going, I'm not crazy crazy people aren't crazy. Then you peer to be crazy, but it's a subtle art of getting people to understand mental health. Oh Yeah, Oh yeah, and going back to what you were saying earlier when I was like coming diverge but yeah like when someone is not happy with the job right or when you're like in a cubicle eight hours a day at your desk and you're, not that of a person like you're, a person that needs to use their creativity, let the fled a flow, get their motions out like Yep. How are you sometimes we don't even know that that's the right way to go like how are you supposed to know that Kephale job is not for you right and part of Aucas vers to is we really want to give people the opportunity to you know: Dab a little bit in art to Dab into their creative senses, you'll notice that a lot of people in our server actually are not artists themselves, but we are trying to encourage people to take on a little bit of projects here and there or you know, draw some stickers or moges and sit them some of them to the contest like just just get just get their juices flowing. Yeah yeah, try yeah you. Nobody knows you're an artist until you at least try and then again. You know many artists create art for years and don't consider themselves artists because they haven't made that that mental switch. They haven't become so audacious to say, Yep, I'm an artist, so that's great that you're encouraging people to just pick up pick up a stylist or try illustrator one of the other programs for drawing, because that's a that's how we did it that we just you, got to start somewhere and you might as well. If you think, if, basically, I'm like a detective, if you've already determined that your job sucks for you and you hate it will cross it off the list. Don't do that anymore. Try something else, and if you're standing at the door of a creative art project step on in try something out, it's not going to hurt you and it might change your whole life and there's plenty of life in front of all of us. Yeah and think about like art and self expression is. It is a healing mechanism, yea a hundred percent yeah and some people don't recognize that and it's not until they start doing art. Do they realize like wow, like I'm happier today like wow, I feel clear similar. You know it's just cleansing yeah, it's so great and a lot of people. We were talking about brain programming and things like that. As children, a lot of people were told. I don't or told no good or whatever, but they come up with this idea that I'm not creative or I'm bad at math or I...

...suck at this or that you know you don't actually just go, try it. You were just told that and then you you know you adopted that as your way. But that is not the way you can be as created, especially creativity. You might not be good at math, it might take you a minute to become a developer or a doctor or scientist, but art come on people. You just just try just draw a line like one of my favorite kind of impression. Our abstract artist was Rothko, the German guy who just painted color just blocks of color because as a child I would go to the modern museums, and I look at that and just think that's stupid. Anybody could do that so now, as an adult I'm trying to emulate that I'm like man, this is fucking hard like to get it to look right, so yeah, I'm always trying to so impressions of Rothko. On My easel over here. Oh my goodness, yeah my dad would always joke about that. We go to me art museums. He said you know. I could just splatter some pain on that on that canvas and boom. I'm the next artist straight up straight up, and I kind of feel that way in ironic way about nf and like anybody could have drawn a crypto punk, look at it. It's just a bunch of pixels, and so the same thing is like well, they were audacious enough to fucking, claim that that's art and they found the right community. So I'm like! Oh that's, that's it. It's kind of like being an artist and a lot of artists. Don't like to hear this, but it's like being in a band. If you don't self promote and become that person, many people feel is kind of icky nobody's going to hear of you. So the next best step is really joining a collective like outcast, first, where there other people that don't really feel a hundred percent on self promotion feels kind of nasty to them, but they all love collaborating. So I think it's great because then, once you meet people in a in a server like that, you go out on twitter and then you help promote them, retweet them like them heart and their comments, and all that kind of stuff, and I think it really helps it builds foundation and kind of a support mechanism for them. Yeah Yeah and you keep mentioning community- and I agree with you so much like. As you know, cryptopsy did not sell out. They literally gave away free Entes, and it's only through the communities staying strong and believing in the concept and like yeah like we can do this. Do it rise the value that is today? You know millions and millions of dollars. So right it is so it's all about the community and I think something that we really prie ourselves an outcast versus. We, I think, we're different. In a sense, we really treat each community member as an individual right like you're, not just a number in our discord server right. We want to take the time to get to know you and we want to know what you're going through so in the community were developing here. It's something that the empty space does not have. Currently, there are other mental heat projects out there, but I've joined their servers and they don't have they just don't have to focus on individuals like they bring in speakers, and there I mean they bring great speakers, don't get me wrong sure and they provide great services. But I think it's still missing that personal element that communities need and we really try to push for that in a castors, because that's what makes it breaks a project and it's the people, it's a community right, yeah and naming that too. I think acknowledging that everybody feels like an outcast at some point is important because a lot of mental health organizations, despite all their best efforts, still feel like a top down effort. It feels like they're just telling you how to feel and here's this great expert that knows everything it's never about how about you? How do you feel tell us your story? Some of the best mental health self help groups have been to like there's one called the D B, s a depression by polar support alliance and they have self helped groups all across America and you can go there and you sit in a circle and people share across the circle. There's no tables, there's no speakers, it's just people that feel like they need to be in a meeting about mental health. At that moment, so yeah it is about the people and ask when you see any artist accepting awards on TV, they don't think themselves or their band. They think the fans, it's the support of your your community for lack of a better word. I used to be a community organizer. So that's just the buzz word I have stuck in my head, but yeah, it's the community or your fan base, or your voters or whatever you doing, that those are the people that you really get a work on to. Actually keep as a community, because communication is a constant thing. You can't just put up a blurb or a fly or make a statement and then disappear for four or five days yeah. I think artists know that the best right artists know the struggle of building the their name and their brand, and it's only when people start noticing them and going on a journey with them from you know, releasing their first ep to you know having albums and albums out there, and it's only through a struggle to people like really realize how much community means and how much a strong supporter group and like how much you provide them to it right. Here's like a symbiotic relationship right yeah.

Definitely it community is everything in the eity space. I think some projects don't understand that, and it's really sad to see, because you know as good as your art can be. If you don't establish the right community, then it will not. Your project will not do well yeah. I agreed, I think some great art is being wasted currently on bad communities. We yeah and because I see some great art and I see the community and there's not really a community there yeah and it's interesting because that's something that's totally new in this world in this in this era right, it's like a online community. Like that's unheard of I mean we sure we've had similar things back, then you know and social media platforms and whatever, but nothing. I would say at this scale right no intensity either right. It's really intense, too yeah. Nothing at this like yeah, no, nothing, this community driven and that we've seen so far and it's such a focal point in Anice and everything is run by the community created by the community and as since it is so it you know, it is so decentralized. It's a paste point where, if you don't have community, then this space is nothing you're right, yeah it vaporizes quickly. It needs a structure more than leaders. I guess is a good way to put it and that's why I appreciate outcast first because you've, given it quite a bit of structure. I appreciate it. Sometimes I think, there's too many channels and I can get kind of confusing yeah yeah, but I mean there's not a two too many there's just as many as you as you think. There need to be- and I think that's fair, so cheers to that for sure appreciate it appreciate it. How should somebody that is just listening to a podcast like this? That's into you know mental health podcast. I guess, but also has a creative bug that they want to challenge and wants to get involved through the outcast versus o. They just jump in the server, listen and read for a couple days and then talk and share their stories. Or how do you suggest the new person come along, so we're very open to accepting anyone into the artists into this, like the list of artist that we want to support? And you know if you're like, if you're an artist of any kind you know could be someone who draws or paints or even the musician or dancer singer like we want to help promote your work. We want to help support you, so you can just join our server contact, a moderator or contact me, Conrad or not, say like Hey, I'm an inspiring so and so artists like what it be possible to do like some collaboration with you guys or get some support right, and we would be delighted like literally so happy like every time someone reaches out to us to asking to for support like we do not hesitate, because we love to help people, and I hear that a that in your voice. I hear the happiness in your voice. That's Fantacy, yeah and you know if- and everyone goes through shit in their life and even if you don't have a mental disorder or have gone through. My ettor, like you, have gone through shit in your life and we would love to share that story, no matter what it is. So we want to get to know you as a person. Definitely you know chat into this cord server and the channels get to know the community, because you know ft space, it's really as Cliche as it sounds. It's you get you get what you put in, and you know you could definitely promote your your work and if that's your goal perfect like we are so happy to do that. But if you really really want to integrate yourself in a community, that's so supportive, like we definitely recommend just getting him now the people yeah- and it's almost like I for sure it's like the art- becomes a by product of the community. Instead of the whole driving force, oh yeah, yeah, and when you get to know the people like they get to know your story, and I think that's important for a lot of people might not understand the importance of the long term value of your art projects, and I think, when you build community, it helps that a lot because then you know if that artist is going to be around in five years or ten years. Will this person still be creating art even one year from now, or did they just generate ten thousand images on five because they're trying to make a bunch of money? So I think, building community kind of naturally filters out the former from the latter yeah yeah. That's the that's the intention right, but it's never perfect, but that S it. That is definitely the intention. Yeah there's everyone has their own story and again like in outcast. First, we just want to give people a chance to share that story. That is off like share. That story, use art to share it as well and if you're, an artist like this is a place for you to yeah. That's awesome man. I, like I'm, really, I feel very fortunate to have come across you all again shout out to that for doing the great work on social media. Are you guys gals? Are you folks on twitter or facebook? God...

Forbid? What like, where are you in social media? Besides the discord, do you have like a way out, obviously you're on discord, but what else yeah yeah? So we actually have so many cool things in mind in terms of how we want to go about caspers, we literally have every single social man platform. We have got too many, maybe but discord. Twitter, facebook Youtube spotify twitch, like literally everything, awesome, and that's because we have a lot of plans for the future yeah, for example. spotify we are. Are we want to reach out to artists that want to get their songs out there and they work out there so we're adding their songs to a like curated playlist, like the Aucas first playlist. It's awesome how that we'll have that running twenty or seven in our server and like maybe for for twitch we're planning on setting up life streams for people to show off their talents right, like maybe maybe you're a DJ or yes, sir, that I did straight up, save those put those up as nf t's too yeah exactly, and you can form like life stages and maybe you're a painter like do some Bob Ross type of stuff and do that in Faro, Lice Stream. You know and or like even for youtube videos like, I think one of the coolest things is to watch and artists. Do their arts just do their work, yeah yeah, when they can record maybe their their work process and put a time laps on it. Like ten times feet, it there's some music in the background like just upload that as Youtube video and I'm sure Peopil love watching that rightly, and that becomes again another piece of NF ability, art that will just sit in the time capsule for ever more yeah yeah. I love all this. This is so fun dude. It is like I'm honestly so privilege to even be talking about this and working on projects like these. Like I'm, it's such it's so rewarding and like every day you know I I wake up expecting the unexpected, because nts is the mental health space and like what all cases is doing. It really really makes me happy and excites me every day. Yeah isn't that weird. So I came on maybe a couple months after you, so it sounds so this podcast is going up October, LADOC end of October, two thousand and twenty one, if you listening to it any other time and Conrad, and I have only been in the space since roughly summer of two thousand and twenty one and now we're at this point where we're crossing PAS and planning the future. So I think that's all I don't know almost mind blowing. You know what I mean yeah, it's my bling. That's only been like three months or four months yeah, so I just just keep at it. People if you want to be an artist, look for the outcast verse on your favorite social media or jump right into the discord server, if you're so inclined and don't be afraid of discord if you've never used it before. If you think any of this sounds somewhat appealing, you're going to need to know how to use this cord, so you know dive in everyone's friendly. Once you get past the the set up and search for outcast, first pretty easy to find, like I said I'll put the link up here in the show notes. Now I think this is going to be a blast like I said, I've been an artist for a long time and I'm just going to keep making our and now just my whole idea. I wanted to make remember the yellow happy face that just says: Have a nice day like on grocery bags and stuff yeah yeah. That was that's my idea. I like I need we need a symbol like that that will last for eternity for balance mental health. That's why I'm like? Oh yeah, I'll, just use the podcast logo. I made you know five years ago, so I actually noticed your I'm not sure if this is a logo that you use everywhere or just may be discord and some other social media platforms. But you have a union game a yeah everywhere I got a project built on that on open seas, called Emo Dojo and that's based on the name of this podcast. So I started thinking yeah because I'm a really minimalist artist to begin with and like the Christians, have the cross and Jewish have the start of David and I'm like what are the mentally ill people have, and you know I've always had a fascination with Japanese culture and Asian Culture in general. So I love the Ginan, have tattoos of it all over my body. So when I made the podcast about five years ago, I needed something for bipolar. So I'm like oh the UNEYE, the balance, but I'm like it needs to be happy and it needs to be a face. So I just turned it on side. Took me about twenty minutes to get the smile, the mouth, the right, shape and measurement and like yeah, that's it and in the way I had always displayed it before was the darkness was always hovering on top so and the logo the dark, is always on the top. The smile is always coming through, so I protected that for five years, but now within F ts and like okay, I'm going to have to break it apart and make all kinds of different art pieces off this one thing. But now the core idea was just to have a icon that people can wear because word I wear it on my t, shirt and public people say: Hey, that's a cool shirt. What's it mean? And then I start talking about Oh yeah, I got bipolar disorder and they're like you. Do I'm like yeah? What d you think I was a weird O or something you know, so it just kind of sparks that kind of spontaneous oration are, is like the gay way to communication and stories is beautiful, yeah. No, it man T it's so funny that...

...when I first saw your logo actually, the Union Yang, I was like there's no way because our art embodies beginning in life. Yeah Yeah. Your whole story like when I started reading the about page on the outcast server outcast. First, I'm like Oh yeah this this is meant to be. We should be talking yeah like our first collection of art. It's all about the ends right, yeah, darkness, in Your Life, the bad times right and then the yangs like are your beautiful traits and you sort of mix that together and that becomes who you are. That makes up you as a person. You know that's right, yeah and you got to realize that they both balance each other out. You can't live without the back. Bad will exist and you just have to learn to tolerate it and put enough good to balance it out. Do it exactly it's like you're reading, it's like we yeah exactly, but that's so that I think speaks to the power of universal symbols to the en in the Yang generally speak and I've seen it since town and country surf boards. When I used to be in Hawaii a lot and when I was a kid- and I like I love that load, I'm just fascinated by it, and so I researched into symbology as a kid and then I became like a sign maker, designing big signs for casinos and things like that, but it's all based on symbology and my God. How do we get the most meaning into the simplest form ever so yeah? I was just fucking. Isn't it crazy? How just like that one logo that one design can convey so much meaning yeah yeah? I love it and- and you know someone who may not really understand it might say: okay, just like the inning, but if you know what it means and if you know the meaning behind it, you're like okay, like this project, I can vie with it it's something that I understand yeah yeah. Now I look forward to the future. Let's en plus part is one of those things like think. Both of us just keep doing it. Why stop there's no reason to stop a hundred per cent agree killean. Well, I do want to like say, like I love what you're doing to like you're, literally giving people the opportunity to share their stories and you're doing it in such a way. That also raises awareness for mental health disorders right. So I love what you're doing you know. I mean I'm sure there's been times where it might get discouraging, but I want to say like there is. I support you. I know that supports to this you're. Listen to support you, I'm sure, there's so many people out there who would love your work so just keep at it. Dude like it's really encouraging for other people to know that you're doing this dude. I appreciate that because Yeah I do have mental disorders and a lot of times. I feel like this is all the front I jumped into my John suit today to be on this podcast, but when I take it off, I'm like everybody hates me, that's I'm kind of fixed that a lot lately but yeah. I do appreciate that I used to not be able to take compliments at all, so I am absorbing that and most gracious for your kind words yeah like I think everyone needs just to get an hurmen here, because it is definitely a hard field to be in right, like, as you said, yeah I'll, Sigma Tie, people don't take you seriously sometimes or they see you differently, because you're talking about mental health and right, you like we got to stick together. You know like yeah, your community is your strong as your trunk as asset and it just. We really need the support. Every one can get yeah and the the the irony is so great that all of the outcasts are not outcast when we're together. Oh a hundred percent- oh my God that is so true! Yeah, that's yeah! It's awesome! Well bless you Conrad thanks! So much for connecting and shout out to NAT NAT if you're listening to this, I would love to have you on the show, I'd like to hear your story and what it's like to be. You know part of the Management Team of successful this cord server. All right, then thanks people for listening and I'll talk to you next week and now back to the wall.

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